Oct 29, 2022 · 14K subscribers in the TFABChartStalkers community. Business, Economics, and Finance. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla I am still in shock - I got a bfp today. I was desperately hoping I would get af soon (I have only had one pp period so far) so we could officially start ttc with all the bells and whistles (opk, bbt, supplements, etc). I was actually excited for the cramps I have been feeling - I figured she was right around the corner! I don't know how long I will get to hang around here - but for the moment ...Sep 4, 2018 · In answer toClaire R (1533) Anyone?! Thks! X. Hi Claire, You opk surge usually occurs a day or two before your bbt rise so watch out for it! You then need 3 consecutive high temps to confirm your ovulation on fertility friend then you can get an accurate count on your dpo, good luck! xx. Jun 6, 2018 · Hi, so this is my first month charting my temps . Usually I only do opks. I got my first positive opk on 5th June and other symptoms and today the 8th I’ve still not had a temp rise . I’m using OvuSense too. So I know it’s not how I’m doing it . I’m worried I don’t ovulate at all I’m on cd 21. Aug 24, 2019 · Haha! Don't even ask when I start xmas prep. Still camping but I lost my group for a bit. My temp was pretty consistent this morning. I missed my alarm but the birds woke me up. Using the OPK in the camp bathroom was an experience but it was darker from the day before though still not a clear positive. CS/Q: I'm glad I started temping and using ... In answer toClaire R (1533) Anyone?! Thks! X. Hi Claire, You opk surge usually occurs a day or two before your bbt rise so watch out for it! You then need 3 consecutive high temps to confirm your ovulation on fertility friend then you can get an accurate count on your dpo, good luck! xx.A Discussion on OPK’s vs BBT Charting. Many women become confused when their OPK’s (Ovulation Predictor Kits) and BBT’s (Basal Body Temperatures) don’t agree on the day of ovulation- understandably so. This is one of the more confusing topics I’ve researched! We’ll file this under “advanced topics”. Here’s why.TWW Buddies! Ovulation 26th August. by NewGirl88. 67. Browse more posts.What is the difference between BBT and ovulation predictor kits (OPK)? An ovulation predictor kit measures LH levels, which surge before ovulation. Therefore, OPKs can detect your fertile window in advance, before ovulating. Ideally, we should start having sex before the surge, and when the test becomes positive, we can increase the frequency.My bbt dropped this morning and Iv had ovulation pains all day, so that would predict that Iv ovulated today- as long as I have a temp rise tomorrow which I’m expecting going by last months chart. But on my clearblue opk Iv got flashing smiley no static yet. If it goes static tomorrow that will say ovulation within 24-48 hours.Between oversleeping one day, some sleep deprivation, heavy drinking one night, indiscernible OPK results, and using the least-adored BBT on TB, I'm basically just crossing my fingers at this point. Thought the temp would go up today for O yesterday but it went down so I'm hoping O today for pretty good timing. Between oversleeping one day, some sleep deprivation, heavy drinking one night, indiscernible OPK results, and using the least-adored BBT on TB, I'm basically just crossing my fingers at this point. Thought the temp would go up today for O yesterday but it went down so I'm hoping O today for pretty good timing. Hello lovelies I am currently on CD20 and I think I Ov on CD18 Bedtime of CD17 I was convinced my opk was positive however my apps confirmed it wasn’t quite…Jun 20, 2022 · Hey yeah as a few said you will likely ovulate today. Most often you will see day A. positive opk day B. Ovulation itself day C. Bbt Rise You may see some variance from this, sometimes it takes 2 days to see bbt rise or sometimes your LH surge may happen more than 24hrs before O. But generally the pattern is as listed above. Hi, so this is my first month charting my temps . Usually I only do opks. I got my first positive opk on 5th June and other symptoms and today the 8th I’ve still not had a temp rise . I’m using OvuSense too. So I know it’s not how I’m doing it . I’m worried I don’t ovulate at all I’m on cd 21.Sep 7, 2022 · Ovulation test strips are urine tests that you use at home to detect impending ovulation. They work by detecting the luteinizing hormone (LH), which increases to prompt the release of the egg during ovulation. Sometimes they are called ovulation predictor kits (OPKs), or simply ovulation tests. For most women, the answer is no. LH rises to tell the body that it is time to ovulate and surges 24-36 hours before the release of an egg. If you don’t see this surge, you probably took the test at the wrong time, ovulated early or late, or are experiencing an anovulatory cycle. Rarely, however, your baseline LH level may be high or low ...OPK or BBT? Curious to hear others experiences when they were TTC. I have been doing both OPK tests and measuring my BBT for several months and I’m noticing that I’ll get a positive OPK but then my body temperature won’t spike for sometimes up to 4 days later.Jun 5, 2012 · Jun 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM. @Destiny_2013, A pos. opk DOES NOT mean u O. It just confirms your lh surge. The only way to confirm O is with temping. U can get a pos. opk and not O. U can also get a neg. opk but temp rise which means u did O. It is possible your body prepared to O but didn't. 14K subscribers in the TFABChartStalkers community. Business, Economics, and Finance. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX TeslaMay 6, 2020 · Ovulation predictor kit (OPK) Ovulation predictor kits look just like the home pregnancy tests but they determine when you are ovulating instead. Unfortunately, different brands vary in their accuracy. If you are finding positive tests with the regular "pee-on-the-stick" kind, then you don't really need the fertility monitor. Hello :) this is a group for ladies who are trying to concieve the miracle of life👣 . Through the hardships, loss, gain and everything in between we will be here to help you through it and support you. Please join our group and help us grow; we want to build our community so everyone's questions can be answered!If your OPK is positive but your temperature never spikes, it could be a one-time fluke. But if it continues to happen pretty regularly and you're sure you've dotted your Is and crossed your Ts ...Sep 12, 2018 · Tracking Fertility: OPK vs. BBT. Q: Which is a better method of tracking fertility — an ovulation predictor kit (OPK) or basal body temperature (BBT) charting? A: An ovulation predictor kit changes color before you ovulate, based on a surge in your luteinizing hormone (LH), usually 1-2 days before ovulation. Aug 30, 2019 · Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful. The OPK method is even more powerful when combined with the basal body temperature (BBT) method because the two methods together create an “ovulation sandwich.” (Check out my post on the BBT method for details on how to incorporate it into your ovulation tracking activities.) Since the OPK method gives you about 1-2 days’ notice prior to ...Jun 6, 2018 · Hi, so this is my first month charting my temps . Usually I only do opks. I got my first positive opk on 5th June and other symptoms and today the 8th I’ve still not had a temp rise . I’m using OvuSense too. So I know it’s not how I’m doing it . I’m worried I don’t ovulate at all I’m on cd 21. Hiya, so I’m 7/8 dpo today… had positive opk on 17th and I had ovulation pain the same day so That’s why I say 7/8 dpo opk was negative the next day. I don’t check BBT but my Fitbit app shows a temp dip on 17th and then rise too. This month...See last answer. Amme N. 28/02/2021 at 5:24 pm. After u ovulate you should have 3 consecutive rises in temp... this is mine this month so I know I’ve ovulated and have been strict with timing temp taking this month.. last month I was a bit wishy washy. Edited on 28/02/2021 at 5:25 pm by Amme N.EWCM is not an indicator of ovulation, just that it should be happening soon. 2. It could be seminal or arousal fluids if you have BD in the last 12-24 hours. Most women know this but its worth saying as most couples tracking CM are also BD regularly around the time they think they are going to ovulate. 3.Jun 28, 2023 · Ovulation tests are easy to use. Ovulation kits work similarly to home pregnancy tests—you simply pee on the test stick, activating a chemical that can detect your LH surge. Many OPKs come as a ... Sep 16, 2019 · BBT rise day before positive OPK. March 18, 2023 | by lliiivvii1112. I’m on cycle 7 trying to conceive baby #1. My BBT was raised yesterday (98F) and I hadn’t got a positive OKP yet so I figured I missed my peek. Because I’m curious I continued taking OPKs and got a very dark positive this morning along with... Oh and by the looks of things, you don't necessarily need a BBT but I've really loved having more accurate charts. :) I got my Life Brand BBT at Shoppers Drug Mart. I change them every 3-4 months so I can rely on my temps being accurate. I don't use a new BBT until the next cycle though.A BBT spike (or progesterone testing) will show that ovulation did actually happen. So it's possible that while you're getting a positive OPK, you may not actually be ovulating when you think you are. If you do eventually get a BBT increase, it could mean that your body is trying again and successfully ovulating the 2nd time.By using OPK and BBT, you should forecast your O date with the OPK and verify you did O via BBT. Whenever you get a few minutes (okay, like 20 or so), I recommend checking out peeonastick.com. This is a very thorough website that will give you a ton of information on CM, BBT, OPK, etc.Every cycle I have been able to measure the LH surge, and also the temp increase when I have ovulated and drop in BBT when AF is arriving. My FP/Ovulation has been all over the place though, so literally I measure OPK 2 times a day just to make sure I don't miss it. The range has been 18-37 days for ovulation - yup, that's a lot of OPKs! Hi All. Husband and I started TTC mid oct 2017. Came off oral contraceptives in 1st week of Oct 2017. Have started using OPK and BBT this cycle (currently on cd16 and last cycle was 29 days, previous cycle was 23 days) but still havent had a positive OPK result (clear blue pink tests) which i check first thing in the morning as the pack tells you to.Tracking Fertility: OPK vs. BBT. Q: Which is a better method of tracking fertility — an ovulation predictor kit (OPK) or basal body temperature (BBT) charting? A: An ovulation predictor kit changes color before you ovulate, based on a surge in your luteinizing hormone (LH), usually 1-2 days before ovulation.Yes absolutely. If you took the photo 4 times it would probably spit out 4 different numbers 😂 realistically the numbers don’t mean anything, all you’re looking for is a positive OPK, where the test line is as dark or darker than the control line.In order to "prove" ovulation yes a rise in temps is needed but my OBGyn seems to think that the opks tests are the best standard for tracking ovulation. Also keep track of cervical mucus, that helps too. If you have a 30 day cycle I would start testing one opk a day starting around day 12 and then do twice a day on days 14/15 (or whatever days ...If you have fertile cervical mucus but no rise in temperature, it could be that you're not ovulating. While fertile quality cervical mucus can warn you that ovulation is coming, so you can time sex for pregnancy, it doesn't confirm that ovulation actually took place. You can have fertile quality cervical mucus, but not ovulate.Between oversleeping one day, some sleep deprivation, heavy drinking one night, indiscernible OPK results, and using the least-adored BBT on TB, I'm basically just crossing my fingers at this point. Thought the temp would go up today for O yesterday but it went down so I'm hoping O today for pretty good timing. Yes absolutely. If you took the photo 4 times it would probably spit out 4 different numbers 😂 realistically the numbers don’t mean anything, all you’re looking for is a positive OPK, where the test line is as dark or darker than the control line.I've been reading online that some women don't get their temp rise until 3 or 4 days after a positive opk. Praying this happens to me. Plan on continuing with OPKs and bd'ing every 2 or 3 days ...Really considering giving up on OPKs: Only tried OPK strips so far and find it super annoying that you can't test with FMU. I think it is absolutely… Are you taking your BBT its the only real reliable way to tell if you have Ovulated. But if your getting highs then I would just keep having sex and hoping that you catch O even if you don't get a peak. I'm really sorry this is so frustrating for you.I have also ready in TCOYF that an OPK can show a positive result before, during, and after you O due to varying levels of LH in urine. HTH. EDIT: So, the answer is yes, you could have a temp rise with a +OPK. ~Sweet Girl *8/18/08* c-section ~ Sweet Boy *12/2/10* VBAC ~ Sweet Boy *8/14/12* VBAC~. A group where you can ask all your BBT related questions! BBT and OPK don't align? So my BBT looks like I O'd three days ago, but my OPK was clearly negative (I check 2-3 times a day during my fertile week), OPK turned strong positive last night... thoughts?Ovulation predictor kit (OPK) Ovulation predictor kits look just like the home pregnancy tests but they determine when you are ovulating instead. Unfortunately, different brands vary in their accuracy. If you are finding positive tests with the regular "pee-on-the-stick" kind, then you don't really need the fertility monitor.Aug 30, 2019 · Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful. Every cycle I have been able to measure the LH surge, and also the temp increase when I have ovulated and drop in BBT when AF is arriving. My FP/Ovulation has been all over the place though, so literally I measure OPK 2 times a day just to make sure I don't miss it. The range has been 18-37 days for ovulation - yup, that's a lot of OPKs!13/11/2017 at 11:33 pm. Dont worry! It's all normal! The ovulation and the temp rise usually takes place a day or two after your first positive opk! Sometimes I only get one day of positive opks, sometimes two. Usually I get a temp rise the second day after the first opk. But once or twice it was in the third day! It's all ok and normal.Nov 11, 2017 · I've been reading online that some women don't get their temp rise until 3 or 4 days after a positive opk. Praying this happens to me. Plan on continuing with OPKs and bd'ing every 2 or 3 days ... What is the difference between BBT and ovulation predictor kits (OPK)? An ovulation predictor kit measures LH levels, which surge before ovulation. Therefore, OPKs can detect your fertile window in advance, before ovulating. Ideally, we should start having sex before the surge, and when the test becomes positive, we can increase the frequency.They are most effective when used together, because OPKs can tell you when ovulation is coming (usually) and BBT can confirm it happened. Not everyone ovulates 12-24 hours from their positive OPK, it can be up to 72 hours after and in around 20% of women (I’m one of them!) ovulation can actually occur prior to/ immediately after the OPK turns positive.What is the difference between BBT and ovulation predictor kits (OPK)? An ovulation predictor kit measures LH levels, which surge before ovulation. Therefore, OPKs can detect your fertile window in advance, before ovulating. Ideally, we should start having sex before the surge, and when the test becomes positive, we can increase the frequency.The OPK method is even more powerful when combined with the basal body temperature (BBT) method because the two methods together create an “ovulation sandwich.” (Check out my post on the BBT method for details on how to incorporate it into your ovulation tracking activities.) Since the OPK method gives you about 1-2 days’ notice prior to ...CD 14: 96.94 CD 15: 97.11 CD 16: 97.18 CD 17: 96.81 CD 18 (first positive OPK): 97.08 CD 19: 97.18 CD 20: 97.18 CD 21 (today): 97.26 Is it possible I ovulated the same day as first positive so the CD 17 reading was the dip, and then every day since then has been a little higher? TTC #2 (Clomid worked successfully for DD, but 3 rounds didn’t work this time around). On first round of Femara. Usually I O on CD16, but you can see on my chart below that I O-d CD13. I’ve never had an OPK stronger than that! We BD-ed on the day the positive OPK and the day after. I had an HSG on CD12 so...If you have fertile cervical mucus but no rise in temperature, it could be that you're not ovulating. While fertile quality cervical mucus can warn you that ovulation is coming, so you can time sex for pregnancy, it doesn't confirm that ovulation actually took place. You can have fertile quality cervical mucus, but not ovulate.Hiya, so I’m 7/8 dpo today… had positive opk on 17th and I had ovulation pain the same day so That’s why I say 7/8 dpo opk was negative the next day. I don’t check BBT but my Fitbit app shows a temp dip on 17th and then rise too. This month...They are most effective when used together, because OPKs can tell you when ovulation is coming (usually) and BBT can confirm it happened. Not everyone ovulates 12-24 hours from their positive OPK, it can be up to 72 hours after and in around 20% of women (I’m one of them!) ovulation can actually occur prior to/ immediately after the OPK turns positive.May 19, 2019 · TTC #2 (Clomid worked successfully for DD, but 3 rounds didn’t work this time around). On first round of Femara. Usually I O on CD16, but you can see on my chart below that I O-d CD13. I’ve never had an OPK stronger than that! We BD-ed on the day the positive OPK and the day after. I had an HSG on CD12 so... Aug 30, 2019 · Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful. If your ovulation test is positive, this means that your LH levels are above the threshold considered to be “surging” – meaning that ovulation will likely happen within 24-36 hours. At rest, typical LH levels for women are between 5-25 IU/L, and during the LH surge, they can peak up to 100+ IU/L. The most common and reliable threshold for ... Mar 15, 2017 · A positive opk means your body is gearing up to release the egg. It is possible for the egg not to be released. What usually happens is your body will have another lh surge in a few days to try to release the egg again, resulting in a late cycle. I am still in shock - I got a bfp today. I was desperately hoping I would get af soon (I have only had one pp period so far) so we could officially start ttc with all the bells and whistles (opk, bbt, supplements, etc). I was actually excited for the cramps I have been feeling - I figured she was right around the corner! I don't know how long I will get to hang around here - but for the moment ...Mar 24, 2021 · Basal body temperature (BBT) tracking: Before and after ovulation, BBT (your body’s lowest resting temperature) dips, then rises again. Tracking this shift can let you know if an egg was released. Tracking this shift can let you know if an egg was released. Yes absolutely. If you took the photo 4 times it would probably spit out 4 different numbers 😂 realistically the numbers don’t mean anything, all you’re looking for is a positive OPK, where the test line is as dark or darker than the control line. Jackelbee3. don't bother with any pregnancy tests if your temp starts to decline. It should be elevated after ovulation and will decline steadily if AF is coming. Sounds like you are doing all of the right things. Good luck to you. Charting my BBT along with using the OPK have really helped me a lot. Jacks.In the 3-5 days leading up to ovulation, your cervical mucus will become an egg white consistency, clear and stretchy. This is your fertile mucus and keeping track of it will help you to determine your fertile window. Height of cervix In the days before ovulation, your cervix will change position and shape to help the sperm travel to the ...Hello :) this is a group for ladies who are trying to concieve the miracle of life👣 . Through the hardships, loss, gain and everything in between we will be here to help you through it and support you. Please join our group and help us grow; we want to build our community so everyone's questions can be answered!Haha! Don't even ask when I start xmas prep. Still camping but I lost my group for a bit. My temp was pretty consistent this morning. I missed my alarm but the birds woke me up. Using the OPK in the camp bathroom was an experience but it was darker from the day before though still not a clear positive. CS/Q: I'm glad I started temping and using ...By using OPK and BBT, you should forecast your O date with the OPK and verify you did O via BBT. Whenever you get a few minutes (okay, like 20 or so), I recommend checking out peeonastick.com. This is a very thorough website that will give you a ton of information on CM, BBT, OPK, etc.Hi everyone, Diagnosed with PCOS in Feb. 2010. Was told to save my money and not bother with BBT, charting, and OPK's cause they wouldn't be accurate since I have PCOS.After Fallopian Tube Surgery: TTC, OPK, BBT I refused at first to get into the rigors of what I called “Die hard trying to conceive ( TTC) “. I refused to use ovulation predictor test kits (OPKs), take my basal body temperature (BBT) to chart ovulation, or anything other help with conceiving.After Fallopian Tube Surgery: TTC, OPK, BBT I refused at first to get into the rigors of what I called “Die hard trying to conceive ( TTC) “. I refused to use ovulation predictor test kits (OPKs), take my basal body temperature (BBT) to chart ovulation, or anything other help with conceiving.Some women have a long surge for more than 1 day so this means if you just do the above and presume the next day the egg releases and that's the only day you BD (when it really does it 2-3 days later) you've hosed yourself. The best thing IMO is to keep tracking (+) OPK test until you have a BBT temperature drop also.Hello :) this is a group for ladies who are trying to concieve the miracle of life👣 . Through the hardships, loss, gain and everything in between we will be here to help you through it and support you. Please join our group and help us grow; we want to build our community so everyone's questions can be answered!Sep 4, 2018 · In answer toClaire R (1533) Anyone?! Thks! X. Hi Claire, You opk surge usually occurs a day or two before your bbt rise so watch out for it! You then need 3 consecutive high temps to confirm your ovulation on fertility friend then you can get an accurate count on your dpo, good luck! xx. Aug 30, 2019 · Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful. It is now Thursday (CD24) but by BBT has not risen - it has in fact been going down! What is happening and is there still a chance I can ovulate since my BBT hasn’t shifted? My BBT cycle last month indicated a temp shift immediately after ovulation on CD20 (didn’t use OPK last month). I’m quite worried I didn’t ovulate this month.
So I have been charting temp and using OPKs. I'm a bit confused on the results so hoping somebody can let me know what's going on? I started taking OPKs on CD10 (I have consistent 28 day cycles). I was taking them twice a day. CD13 at 9 PM was negative and then CD14 at 12 PM noon the next day was finally.... River city equipment rental and sales inc
Yes absolutely. If you took the photo 4 times it would probably spit out 4 different numbers 😂 realistically the numbers don’t mean anything, all you’re looking for is a positive OPK, where the test line is as dark or darker than the control line. Hi all, I'm new here. I'm almost 35 and we've been TTC for 9 months. We usually BD the few days before I get a positive OPK, the day I get a positive OPK, and usually the day after. Well, I started temping 3 months ago and realized there are 4-5 days between my positive OPK's and my temp shift. So when... Jun 28, 2023 · Ovulation tests are easy to use. Ovulation kits work similarly to home pregnancy tests—you simply pee on the test stick, activating a chemical that can detect your LH surge. Many OPKs come as a ... Every cycle I have been able to measure the LH surge, and also the temp increase when I have ovulated and drop in BBT when AF is arriving. My FP/Ovulation has been all over the place though, so literally I measure OPK 2 times a day just to make sure I don't miss it. The range has been 18-37 days for ovulation - yup, that's a lot of OPKs! It is now Thursday (CD24) but by BBT has not risen - it has in fact been going down! What is happening and is there still a chance I can ovulate since my BBT hasn’t shifted? My BBT cycle last month indicated a temp shift immediately after ovulation on CD20 (didn’t use OPK last month). I’m quite worried I didn’t ovulate this month.Hi all, I'm new here. I'm almost 35 and we've been TTC for 9 months. We usually BD the few days before I get a positive OPK, the day I get a positive OPK, and usually the day after. Well, I started temping 3 months ago and realized there are 4-5 days between my positive OPK's and my temp shift. So when...I am using cheap OPK strips and Ovia. Ovia became much more accurate after the OPK's because I don't ovulate until day 19-20 (of a 32-34 day cycle). I don't think I'll temp because I'm one of those people who will obsess over it (same reason I can't count calories because it'd go downhill quickly).Mar 23, 2015 · Bbt Spike But No Peak Fertility On Opk. K. Karter2013. Mar 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM. I have been TTC since December and still no luck. I started temping this cycle and got a big temp spike this morning. I am using clearblue advanced opk's and I have only gotten two flashing faces which means high fertility, but I haven't gotten a peak fertility yet. If your ovulation test is positive, this means that your LH levels are above the threshold considered to be “surging” – meaning that ovulation will likely happen within 24-36 hours. At rest, typical LH levels for women are between 5-25 IU/L, and during the LH surge, they can peak up to 100+ IU/L. The most common and reliable threshold for ... Advertisement ... Jul 7, 2020 at 9:39 PM. I would count ovulation 12-36 hrs after your Peak result. Thats how I've always done it and I've been successful. I continue to have positive opk for 1 or 2 days after the peak one but i know LH is coming down at that point. And i would BD on ovulation day and the next 2 or 3 days after as well.13/11/2017 at 11:33 pm. Dont worry! It's all normal! The ovulation and the temp rise usually takes place a day or two after your first positive opk! Sometimes I only get one day of positive opks, sometimes two. Usually I get a temp rise the second day after the first opk. But once or twice it was in the third day! It's all ok and normal.Between oversleeping one day, some sleep deprivation, heavy drinking one night, indiscernible OPK results, and using the least-adored BBT on TB, I'm basically just crossing my fingers at this point. Thought the temp would go up today for O yesterday but it went down so I'm hoping O today for pretty good timing..